Christina, Kathy and anyone else still experiencing rear hoof problems. You probably already know this, but I thought I would throw it out there just the same. I still have occasional problems with my 3 yearlings and their rear hooves, but for the most part we have worked through the major issue of kicking out. I use a long soft cotton rope. Wrap it around the hoof and use that to pull the hoof up. Do that several times until your horse is pulling it up with ease. At that point I pull the hoof up and then hold it with my hand and rub up and down their leg. I'll do that several times and then I will add tapping the hoof and after that I try to pick out the hoof. It works most of the time and my three are cooperating pretty well. Granted they are only yearlings and your guys pack a much more powerful punch. Picking up with just the rope didn't seem to do much, I had to get my hands on them for them to make the connection. They aren't perfect at picking them up, but they are starting to get it. Hope this helps a little.